The latter three have been called into question about the possible effects on health of the owner as well as the wellbeing of the aquarium inhabitants. It can be difficult to accurately measure the amount of water being displaced by the live rock. I stumbled upon reefkeeping.com and their very in depth guide to dosing with 80 proof Vodka, and on the 22nd October added my first dose to my tank. Over a three week period I lost countless fragile sps corals, primarily smaller colonies which were on the way to becoming fully established. nitrates yesterday. The information contained in these articles is here to help educate and hopefully enhance the hobby, while helping you to make informed decisions on aquaria upkeep. Should you want to stop … Loss of tissue at tip ends with high Alkalinity. If you do not see nutrient levels decrease during this week, the following week add an additional 0.5ml for a daily dosage of 1.8ml daily. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. You will want to export the incorporated nitrogen and phosphates that you are cultivating by organic carbon dosing. I know in a FOWLR nitrAtes typically aren't of major concern but I would like to keep them as close to zero as possible. When your NO3 and PO4 levels start to drop maintain the current dose. Coral Coloration / Paleness - With reduction of nitrates/phosphates SPS corals have been reported to increase in color pigmentation and have even been reported to pale over time. It is typically formed in aquaria through the digestion of foods, and in many aquaria it builds up and can be difficult to keep at natural levels. 37 gallon mixed reef. I've been vodka dosing for 8 weeks now , I'm up to 4.0ml in a 65 gal sw tank. Cyanobacteria began to rear it’s ugly head, however because my tank is coral dense it could not get a purchase. Time to dose = When the lights are on. Continue to test for NO3 and PO4. If stress of any sort is noticed stop dosing, or at a minimum cut back by reducing your dose in half. 12. We want to recognize Peter Martis (SDguy) and Mike Woodard (miwoodar) for providing the photos within this article. The number of carbon-source dosing threads on Reef Central (RC) currently reinforces this statement. Browse the Walmart Ad for a new sale of Black Friday. On 7th March my NO3 came in at 0.2ppm when tested with a Salifert Test Kit. I dose vinegar and have for a couple of years now. We ask that you read and ask questions until you have a firm understanding of the concepts behind vodka dosing. Without participation from the cohort of people on RC that bring their own talents to the hobby this article would not have been written. Carbon is a food source for beneficial bacteria in the tank. Here we have described a method for reduction of these nutrients by stimulation and promotion of bacterial growth through the addition of vodka. Brief explanation as to what carbon dosing is and why Ive undertaken the process even though I have low nutrients. :) I've been dosing vodka for years, without really getting below 20 nitrates. Anyone have any experience in it? Heres the proof: The LaMotte Nitrate test kits Octa-Slide can measure only about 1.1 ppm (0.25 * 4.4) but the color of the water had no hint of pink that is why Im thinking that its almost about zero. Would like input on vodka dosing to help lower nitrates and phosphates. The following information is provided for your consideration in regard to a topic that has been questioned by some of the best minds in the hobby. It has been reported that addition of certain organics can help enhance the appearance of the reef aquarium by reducing nitrates and phosphates. Honestly, it will make little difference on which brand is used. Thank you for your support! Pictured above is miwoodar's tank. Well if it sounds so great, why can�t I just start dumping vodka/organic carbon into my system? I went from about 60ppm to 0 nitrates. Thanks go out to the many who have contributed to advancing this hobby. To make a long story short, the goal of dosing Vodka is to provide an organic carbon source to grow bacteria in order to consume phosphates and nitrates. Mahler's nitrates fell from 20 ppt (NO3) and 0.2 ppt (PO4) at the beginning of the test to "roughly 0 nitrates, PO4 was with approximately 0.01 ppt" at the end of the sixth week. Vodka Dosing for Reducing Nitrates in a Reef Aquarium Aquaviki’s Monthly “Service Inspirations” Update: Awesome, Fast, Effective Method for reducing Nitrates in the reef aquarium. Do not dose if you do not know this! Once you have driven your nitrates down with carbon dosing (vodka, vinegar, etc), the general rule of thumb is to cut your dosing in half as a starting point for your "maintenance dose". I might pick up another power head to fix that issue . Vodka/Sugar Dosing. People that have reported beneficial results using this method all have had strong skimmer and report a change in skimmate from a light brown to a strong odiferous black sludge. I started vodka dosing last week. +1 on vodka dosing; however, I dc'd once the hair algae was in check. The reason vodka is used in comparison to other spirits such as whiskey, gin, or brandy is that vodka is more pure in composition than most other spirits because of its process of distillation. Couple other things I noticed to beware of: - white film requires more elbow grease to swipe off. 12. Notably, the first major thread on RC for this subject was quite lengthy starting a couple of years ago ("Dosing vodka to bring down N and P"). Hopefully i'll figure out all the ins & outs! The reason we use vodka in comparison to other spirits is that vodka is purer in composition. MB7 into the display. Photos courtesy of Mike Woodard (miwoodar). If this were the case it would take more time to cycle out the nitrates within the system as there is now a hidden bed of organic waste that needs to be removed. Within a three day period the Vodka dosing consumed all nutrients, and I can only assume they hit zero. When these carbon molecules are incorporated into more complex forms within cells they are termed organic. Within this period my nitrate shot up to 50ppm! These potential benefits have lead some to add foreign organic carbon sources not usually found in the reef ecosystem to their tank. There are marine heterotrophic bacteria that take in carbon, nitrate, and phosphate as their key components when they multiply. I have a 55g tank and after some reading have found that if I do it then it should be 1/4 of a table spoon every other day, can anyone confirm this? My current tank is 300gal. Deep Sand Beds - People with Deep Sand Beds (DSBs) have reported issues with vodka dosing. We recommend good test kits that have some low level of sensitivity. Carbon is found within your reef aquarium in abundance as inorganic bicarbonate. Ethyl alcohol is the toxic material in alcoholic drinks, and that plus water equals vodka. Vodka and sugar dosing are also referred to as ‘Carbon Dosing’. For this reason many feel vodka is a safer addition than other spirits by eliminating the possibility of adding other organic molecules that may act negatively within the reef environment. Rules 1) You will need an appropriately sized protein skimmer. I am considering it to help with my sudden algae situation and to bring down my Nitrates. Those bacteria are consuming nitrate and phosphate -- or at least they're consuming the stuff that becomes nitrate and phosphate. It has been suggested to cut the daily dosage in half and dose twice daily for more consistency. Gas exchange. The skimmer, as expected, pulled more from the water column, and what it did pull was black and horrible. After many frequent water changes and constant brown algae and slight hair algae problems i decided to start the Vodka dosing method. ), sugar, vinegar, biopellets and carbon supplements. The amount used for my 80 gallon reef was measured in a few drops. During this time people have reported mixed results on survival from this snowstorm. Sugar as a nitrate reducer | Sirdarksol 84119 Upon further reading about VSV (vodka-sugar-vinegar) dosing at Glassbox.com, you can change or even eliminate the proportion of each ingredient based on what your tanks strain of denitrating bacteria likes to eat. For vodka dosing there is absolutely no harm in underestimating the Net Water Volume and is recommended. The increased biomass of the bacteria leads to a notable increase in skimmate production, removing more waste than without vodka addition. Throughout your dosing, observe your livestock daily to look for any signs of stress. In this instance, carbon dosing is only addressing the symptoms of high levels of nitrates and phosphates and not the causes of them. I have chaeto growing in my sump, along with skimmer, and purigen. Vodka and sugar dosing are also referred to as ‘Carbon Dosing’. does anyone really know how to dose a nano tank with vodka? The goal of this column is to compact many threads interested in a particular discussion to a user friendly layout. It is well worth reading their full guide on vodka dosing prior to dosing:  http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/index.php. Due to this ideology, it has been increasingly common to dose multiple carbon sources as this may create additional bacterial diversity. I started vodka dosing according to this method http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/ on November 1st. I recently was up to 40cc a day & then we had to leave for a 2 week vaca. Randy, I started vodka dosing about three weeks ago and am now up to 3.3ml / day (100 gal actual water volume) and I've yet to be able to see any impact on my nutrients from this dosing. Dosing accuracy is of the utmost importance. I went from about 60ppm to 0 nitrates. I found this old thread that proves carbon dosing works somewhat for freshwater systems. This decrease in dissolved O2 is indirectly observed in ORP meter readings after vodka addition. A Powerful Method for the Reduction of Nitrates and Phosphates within the Reef Aquaria I noticed that my tank became increasingly riddles with brown powdery algae on the glass and was constantly cleaning it away. I had a 500ml bottle of the stuff in my fish cupboard bought a couple of years prior, so it made sense to use it. There is no clear evidence that this is detrimental to your tank. Now let me tell you why or how I came to that conclusion, not only am I dosing Vodka for Nitrate and phosphate reduction. The results using the API Liquid test kit are as follow: Ammonia: 0, NitrItes: 0, NitrAtes: 20+. This thread highlights the results of many aquarists that were achieved through careful vodka additions to their aquariums. I'm reading about the wonders of vodka dosing to bring down nitrates and that it also helps with water clarity and coral coloration. I know in a FOWLR nitrAtes typically aren't of major concern but I would like to keep them as close to zero as possible. I've read about vodka dosing, but am not sure if that's really a good option. I just recently finished a sequence of dosing using rubbing alcohol. Frag Tank Basics: Plumbing, Drilling and Sump Requirement, How to get rid of Dinoflagellates in a Saltwater Tank, Aquarium DIY Hanging Light: Suspending Over A Tank, Growing Soft Corals in a Saltwater Aquarium, How to Deal with Evaporation in a Saltwater Aquarium. The more you grow, the more Nitrates are converted to gas and the lower your Nitrates will be. Basically, the vodka method is a way that you can add an inorganic carbon, that is in this case in the form of alcohol. Couple other things I noticed to beware of: - white film requires more elbow grease to swipe off. Test your system�s NO3 and PO4 levels. These instructions will focus solely on using 80 proof vodka (40% ethanol by volume). Carbon is a food source for these bacteria. However, if looking for recommendations for additives that will reduce paleness and enhance SPS health check out amino acid addition as this has been reported to enhance coloration in a ULN (ultra-low nutrient) environment. If you have any questions about this article, please visit the Notes from the Trenches forum Calcium did come down to about 460ppm but my alkalinity bottomed out. I am however stuck on phosphates. My preferred macro algae has always been Chaetomorpha because of its amazing ability to absorb both NO3 and PO4, keeping my nutrients at negligible levels. Feeding - A derivative of vodka dosing is the ability to increase feeding for fish or invertebrates without reducing water quality. Can’t you picture a group of discerning reefers that decided to share a friday night toast with their reef tank? Vodka dosing: Nitrate going up and down. 22 Mar 2018 #2 Carbon dosing is the collective name for vinegar or vodka dosing … This will be important later on to determining a maintenance dose regimen. By July 2010, I'd dosed my tank daily for three years to keep nitrate levels down, and it worked. Alot of the times high nitrates are from not cleaning the sand bed to good usually over feeding at the same time. The author(s) assumes no responsibility for any consequences that may arise from the use of this information. Days 4-7, double the daily dosage to 0.2ml of vodka per 25 gallons NWV. When I tested phosphate and nitrate they were 0.003ppm and 0.2ppm respectively, but I could see something was drastically wrong! I guess I'd just like some feed back on how it's worked out for folks that have tried it. Since this bacteria doesn’t just appear overnight, you need to start dosing with a small amount and then gradually raise it over time as you grow you bacteria culture. Vodka dosing: Nitrate going up and down. (Aquarium volume + sump + refugium + reactor volumes) � (live rock displacement). With use of these tables if you notice NO3 / PO4 dropping do not increase as stated within the table for the following weeks but follow the directions above starting at #6. Joined 28 Jul 2014 Posts 727 Reaction score 220 Location Centurion. I chose Absolut because it is 80 proof. Heres the proof: The LaMotte Nitrate test kits Octa-Slide can measure only about 1.1 ppm (0.25 * 4.4) but the color of the water had no hint of pink that is why Im thinking that its almost about zero. During the initial dosing test often and adjust dosing parameters as needed as each tank�s requirement will be different. The most common forms of carbon dosing are vodka (Yes, the stuff you can drink. Hi there, I have recently started dosing vodka as a carbon source to try to reduce my nitrates. Gelbstoff, German for yellow matter, is reported to buildup in aquariums over time. If for some reason you cannot remember if you�ve added for that day skip it. Other spirits are brewed with additives that enhance flavor. ive noticed an increase in my nitrates. That being said, here’s how to dose vodka to a reef tank in order to reduce nitrates: Dose 0.2 ml of vodka with 40% alcohol content per 25 gallons of aquarium water daily for the first 3 days. But there has not been any documented evidence of such yet. I sent it out today to be replaced, but I probably wont have it back until the end of the week. While reading this if there is any question that is left unanswered please ask either someone on RC or in your local reef club. Marty. What is carbon dosing? The reduction in algae is the result of lower NO3 and PO4 within the water column and not a direct effect of ethanol addition. Of the corals I have left, they are generally well established and large (my green plating monti is 12″ x 12″), but they too suffered rapid tissue necrosis to varying degrees. I am on week 6 of vodka dosing, started off for the first 2 weeks just increasing by 0.1ml of vodka then increased it by 0.5ml as advised on other sites. Days 4-7, double the daily dosage to 0.2ml of vodka per 25 gallons NWV. After a day, the tank will clear up. I've been Vodka dosing for approx 4 weeks now in order to battle a nitrate problem that was hovering around 80ppm despite regular h2o changes, reduced feeding sked etc. The dosing instructions below were as dictated by J�rg Kokott and have been used successfully by us. I just recently finished a sequence of dosing using rubbing alcohol. 2. However, when it started losing it’s colour and disintegrating it was time to look at alternatives. I dose carbon via dosing pump to maintain a level of nitrates somewhere around 5 ppm and a bit of phosphate. Nitrate is an ion that has long dogged aquarists. I had heard of a crazy method back in 2004 where addition of vodka to the tank would remove nitrates but this would only be a last resort and should only be done in a fish only setup. Vodka dosing has somewhat gone out of vogue as other methods have come into play. Vodka/Sugar Dosing. I feed heavy and my stock list is on the heavier side, but I've always done that. It's day 4 and so far everything seems ok. My question is if I should get a better protein skimmer. If levels become detectable in the future increase your daily dose by 0.1ml increments per week until the levels start to decrease. Vodka addition results in lower NO3 and PO4 levels. Would like input on vodka dosing to help lower nitrates and phosphates. Vodka dosing isnt going to help very high nitrates. Frequent large water changes will quickly reduce the amounts of nitrates present in your system. Efficient skimming allows such removal. During the past two months, I've reduced the vodka dosage from 15ml to 12.5ml, and then again to 10ml per day to see if that is the 'maintenance' dose, as directed in the original article. Whenever the bacteria that is in your aquarium grows, the phosphate and the nitrate are incorporated by this new bacteria. I started vodka dosing according to this method http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/ on November 1st. This will be your starting maintenance dose (if the levels drop during week 2 then the dose after reaching undetectable levels would be 0.65ml daily [1.3ml divide by 2]). They are not 0 … To do this, people have experimented with sugar, vinegar, and vodka. Each subsequent week add an additional 0.5ml of vodka regardless of aquaria volume. For ease of use these tables have been generated to reflect a dosing schedule regimen for different common proofs of vodka. Burnt tips - Some users of organic carbon dosing have reported the tissue loss at the ends of their SPS. Vodka is not. "Let's see 'em - Before and After pics of Vodka Dosing!". Since the vodka is essentially removing the waste products (nitrates/phosphates) from the reef aquarium, addition of extra food is welcomed if not encouraged. Vodka into the sump. The two main nutrients reduced from organic carbon addition are nitrate and phosphate molecules (NO3 and PO4 respectfully). Essentially going from 0.5ml weekly increments to 1ml weekly increments used for 40 proof vodka. This has been stated by nearly everyone using this method and may be an indirect result of nitrate/phosphate removal from the water column. I don't do VSV but I use a bio pellet reactor which works wonderfully. It has been suggested to cut the daily dosage in half and dose twice daily for more consistency. In order to thrive, and increase in number, they need … These work in a similar way to the reactors but in a liquid form, which can be dosed to the tank by hand or automatically via a dosing pump. For 100 Net Gallons, your dosage would be 0.4ml daily during this period. Here we have described a method for reduction of these nutrients by stimulation and promotion of bacterial growth through the addition of vodka. To help circumvent this potential issue a dosing regimen along with some basic equipment is needed. The more you grow, the more Nitrates are converted to gas and the lower your Nitrates will be. Ok just thought I would share some info. Global Moderator; Posts: 4,606; Liked: 1478; Thanks Given: 1488; Received: 865; Location: Norwich; Tank Thread: Reply #3. Because it lacks additives it consists of mostly water and the organic compound ethanol. 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